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title: Advisor Fees and Mutual Fund Expenses - Doug's Quiz Corner
description: Extra layers of expenses and fees that clients pay through mutual funds prove to be costly when you look at the math.
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# Advisor Fees and Mutual Fund Expenses - Doug's Quiz Corner

Posted by [ Doug Hutchinson | CFA®, Director of Research and Trading](https://www.letsassemble.com/wealth-management-blog/author/doug-hutchinson)  
 September 16, 2015

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*![Dougs_Quiz_Corner-500091-edited](http://www.wrapmanager.com/hubfs/blog-files/Dougs_Quiz_Corner-500091-edited.jpg)Quizmaster Doug Hutchinson has come up with another great quiz that explores [advisor fees](http://www.wrapmanager.com/wealth-management-blog/financial-advisor-fees-are-you-paying-too-much) and mutual fund expenses to consider when choosing an advisor. Let’s see what the math has to say.*

*Good luck!*

### Consider the following scenario:

Sam, Frank, and Kathy use different financial advisors. Each financial advisor has a different fee structure.

**Sam** pays a flat fee of 1% to his advisor. There are no other fees associated with his account.

**Frank** pays his advisor a fee of 0.9%. The advisor invests Frank's assets in a mutual fund with an expense ratio of 1.6%.

**Kathy** pays her advisor a flat fee of 0.75%. Her advisor invests Kathy's assets in a mutual fund with an expense ratio of 1.25%. 

Assume:

- An annual return of 7% (before fees and expense ratios are taken into consideration) per year for each of the next 3 years for Sam, Frank, and Kathy.
- Sam, Frank, and Kathy start Year 1 with $100,000. 
- Fees are deducted directly from each account.
- Advisor fees are charged annually and are applied after mutual fund expenses are taken into consideration. 

**After 3 years what will be the value of each of their accounts after all fees and expenses have been taken into consideration? **

Solution: For each year - multiply the starting value by 1.07 to capture the return and then multiply that number by 1 less the fee amount to capture the effect of fees.

**Sam:**

Sam's fee is straightforward at 1%. 

Year 1: $100,000 x 1.07 x 0.99 = $105,930

Year 2: $105,930 x 1.07 x 0.99 = $112,211

Year 3: $112,211 x 1.07 x 0.99 = $118,865

**Frank:**

Frank's mutual fund has an expense ratio of 1.60% and he would then pay his advisor 0.9% of the value of his mutual fund (net of expenses) annually.

Year 1: $100,000 x 1.07 x 0.984 x 0.991= $104,340

Year 2: $104,340 x 1.07 x 0.984 x 0.991 = $108,869

Year 3: $108,869 x 1.07 x 0.984 x 0.991 = $113,594

**Kathy:**

Kathy's mutual fund has an expense ratio of 1.25% and she would then pay her advisor 0.75% of the value of her mutual fund (net of expenses) annually.

Year 1: $100,000 x 1.07 x0.9875 x 0.9925 = $104,870

Year 2: $104,870 x 1.07 x 0.9875 x 0.9925 = $109,977

Year 3: $109,977 x 1.07 x 0.9875 x 0.9925 = $115,333

**The extra layers of expenses and fees that Frank and Kathy are paying through their [mutual funds](http://www.wrapmanager.com/wealth-management-blog/mutual-fund-taxation-how-to-deal-with-a-7-year-bull-market) have proven to be extremely costly. After 3 years Frank has accumulated $5,271 LESS than Sam. After 3 years Kathy has accumulated $3,532 LESS than Sam.**

* Note that this difference in wealth accumulation compounds over time. After 10 years of annual returns at 7% and the same fee structure as above, **Sam will have accumulated about $25,000 MORE** than Frank and about **$17,000 MORE** than Kathy.

[Check out another quiz from Doug's Quiz Corner!](http://www.wrapmanager.com/wealth-management-blog/volatility-and-wealth-accumulation-dougs-quiz-corner)

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